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Postat de learster, 03.12.2011 - 06:14
In some topic it was stated that newbies are having a hard time, because they often get destroyed by high ranked players and those don't want to share their tactics.
So in this topic I will demonstrate how I use my main strategy, Master of Stealth. It might take a while till you are able to play it the way I do, mainly because of all the upgrades I have, but you also might catch some tips. Also, I will try to explain how my opponents could have avoided what came over them.

I didn't come up with this idea until late into the casual game I'll now be using as a demonstration. So there's no screenshots of the beginning, which often is the most crucial part for MoS users. Just try to not lose too many marines to neutrals. Keep in mind that it's likely that two marines won't overcome three neutral militia, even two marines vs two militia aren't a given win. Expand with the help of your general and infantry at the beginning, go for the high income countries first. And for all of their cities. Don't jump from cap to cap, you won't get much out of that.
So in this game, I had some trouble in the beginning. Mainly due to me having no reinforcements when joining in round one, but with a lot of luck I managed to overcome everyone else that was joining in Europe.

Heres the situation of the start of round 24, when I was beginning to take screenshots:



When I finally managed to unite Europe, there was some guy sitting in Nigeria, expanding up north, green had full control over the Mid East and there were still two low levels fighting each other in Russia.
So there I was, having no direct enemy. The most obvious choice would have been to go for Asia, as a united Eurasia is close to unbeatable in this kind of game. But I decided to go for all of them, as that is more fun and a better demonstration for you of what potential lies in the MoS strategy.

There are some things to notice in the first screenshot:
First, I walled ALL my cities. The ones in Scandinavia, Northern Africa, the Balkans, every city in every country. Later on you will notice why I did that and hopefully always do so too.
Second, I quickly went for the African and Russian guys. People sitting in Africa tend to not expect an attack from a European power and are therefore not prepared. Also, the guys in Russia were fighting each other, so I only had to pick up the pieces.
Third, theres already marines in America. See that little red dot in Canada? I send them over in round 19, when I still didn't have full control over Europe and there are more of them crossing the ocean with every reinforcement round.
It's important that you send them over very early, even if you are still fighting in Europe. It will take an awfull lot of time to prepare a decisive attack on the Americas. Even more so because orange is a level 9 player. It will have to be carefully prepared. Also keep in mind, that he could have placed sentries in the Atlantic. So never take the direct route, either go far north or far south.

Next screen I zoomed in on the Mid Eastern battle. I was only having a small scale war there, as most of my money went into subs and marines destined for America and that Nigerian guy. But he didn't even get close to as much money as I did, so that was alright. Notice how I used many little stacks, rather than a single big one. Marines are very fragile and once your opponent discovers your stack they are dead for sure.
Also, while some stacks attack, two others already move ahead to Afghanistan. Besides that, there were marines closing in from North onto his capital, skipping Kazakhstan so that he feels more comfortable about his Northern flank and doesn't expect an attack from there.



Fast forward to round thirty:



I dominated green out of the map, only to now be in a full scale war with Asia, who's also had the whole of Oceania and already was landing in Qatar and Somalia. Also, notice Morocco. Some rounds before orange actually did to me what I was about to do to him. He was trying to attack France, Spain and the UK all at the same time. But, having walled all of my cities, it took him a turn to get past them. My chance to reinforce.
For such occasions I usually keep two transports in Hamburg, for they can easily bring reinforcements to London and Paris. Also, one plane in Vienna and Milan and another transport on the Western coast of Italy, to reinforce Paris and Madrid. Such small scale stealth invasions never end good, when your opponent is prepared for anything. If you go in, go in with a boom- as I will do.

I will now zoom in on the diffrent scenarios I was having at that time.

My struggle in Asia:



When defeating green, I already had Pakistan and India. But with the massive production rate Asia offers, black quickly pushed me out of there. I didn't want to confront him directly, as such a fight only drags on endlessly. So once again, I was only having a small scale war with him, defending here and there (26 infantry in Kabul), while my marines were leaking into his territory. I don't exactly know why he didn't wall all of his cities, as black is a rather good player, but yea well, he just didn't. But he had many infantry in his country capitals anyways, so that still wouldn't be easy at all.

Africa:



Pretty much a low scale war once again. I was only sending as many marines as I really needed. There wasn't much money left, after defending Europe from an invasion, fighting and leaking into Asia and also, filling up more subs for America.
Notice the attack in Congo, always do such stuff prior to the reinforcement round. Also, taking Somalia black entered Africa too. Took me pretty long to throw him out again.

And America:



Here you can see that it payed off to send marines as early as possible. They marched the whole way from East to West coast and were now sitting in the forests, having barbecue, waiting for the strike. It's really important that you are patient for this. I send them in round 19, now it was round 30 and the attack still was some rounds away. The last marines only arrived on the East coast and were now to be placed in attacking positions.

Now, let's focus on my attack on America. This is the next round, 31:



What you see here is the toggled view range. You can do that below your mini map, just click on the little button there and you will be able to see this. Notice the green ring? It indicates invisibility detection. So, when theres only little space, toggle this option and place your marines exactly so that the green ring doesn't touch any enemy units. This way you can operate as close to your enemies units as possible without him noticing.
I of course had to do this to get to Washington. Notice how he didn't wall it and also, left it unprotected. But why did he do that, when he's rank 9? He should know better?
Well, heres what he saw: I was having two wars, in Africa and Asia. Africa was looking good for me, but he must have thought that it was still a money draw. And Asia, well, only fighting a low scale war there, black was pushing me back pretty good. He was landing around Saudi Arabia, pushed me out of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan and marching towards Iran. Also, orange himself invaded Europe and even manged to take Spain. So, it's safe to say that he felt pretty comfortable about his situation. I was being sandwiched and on top of that complained to him about my bad money situation.
Another thing: the 0 defense in Washington is temping to only attack it with only a single marine. But my experience told me that there could very well be some stealthed units inside too. And indeed, there were 2 subs and 4 marines or so. Luckily, I attacked with more than 1 unit.

Let's skip to the next round.



Round 32. 13 rounds after the first subs left Europe, I'm finally ready to attack. Everything is set, everything is ready. I'm covering nearly every city in North America with my attacks, dismanteling their walls. Not to take all of them at once the next turn, no. Theres by far not enough marines in the US to do so, I only did that so that he would have to assume I could and would attack all of them. This way I could focus on his capitals, while he would also reinforce the peripheral cities. So what he would do was force dissociation, while I was about to do some force concentration onto his capitals. In Germany, we call that Schwerpunkt. I love that.
For example, I'm only tearing down the walls around Los Angeles and San Diego. Theres no units standing by to take them over the next round. He will still feel the need to reinforce.

What I would have done in his position: I'd have sacrificed states that were not so important to me. I would have focused on holding the East coast, as that is easily reinforced by Europe. It's by far easier to hold only one part of the country and then retake the West coast. After all, I was still struggeling in Asia and there were no more subs coming from Europe, as orange himself was invading there.
This attack had to be a success.

So, this is how it went:



Manged to take US Atlantic, instantly reinforced it with infantry. Then I went for my Schwerpunkte and send all troops standing by into his capitals, leaving out Los Angeles.

Next round:



As you can see it all went pretty well. The next thing I do is instantly move my marines out of all cities. Doesn't matter where to, maybe close to your next target. But for now I want to see what he does the next round. Also, marines are a terrible defense. He actually managed to retake New York with 30 Militia vs my 25 Marines, 2 Subs and 8 Militia.
From there on, it was pretty much a low scale war once again. He would retake some of his states, then I'd take them back, and so on. The game isn't even over yet and I still didn't manage to take all of the US, but he never recovered from that blow and it's a nice SP gain. So let's focus on other things. What was going on in Asia all the time?

He was moving rather slowly onto Europe. Frankly I didn't have very much money to fight him back, so I only focused on the defense. Went pretty good, as he was only standing in Iraq after all the time that passed. It's all about slowing your opponent down. Make walls, walls everywhere. Let him move into your territory, give him the feeling he actually can win this. And then, repeat what you did to America.

Here we go:



This time the caps are walled, except for Korea. The peripheral cities are free to take and so I'm doing that this time. Notice how I attack his cities, defended by 8 militia, with 7 marines. I do that to make sure they actually overtake the cities. As it's not a given, that 6 marines can overcome 8 militia. It's likely, not more.

This is how it went:



What you want to do is instantly wall all the cities. Next round, the reinforcement round, you will build massive loads of marines there. They will need to be covered by walls. Also, I directly go for Japan for that cuts a huge part of his income.

The result:



I didn't manage to take it all, but then there was reinforcement rounds and I was able to pour out a shit ton of marines.
So in the end, this is how the world looks like in round 39:


From now on I pretty much won the game. My unit count only rose, while Americas and Asias was cut by 100 every round. Before my invasion, they had ~1000 and ~1200 units, now only a few rounds later, they were left with ~500. And that is how you play MoS. You pull the enemy into your territory, you lure them into believing they have the upper hand. They will become careless. And then the careless die.

Last screenshot, round 44. Isn't that beautiful?



So, as you can see, Master of Stealth is a very potent strategy when it comes to big maps. But it isn't as easy as it might have come across now. There are many things which can go wrong. Always watch your enemy and how he's moving his troops. If you are leaking into his territory and your marines randomly end up next to some of his units, which he was about to move to your borders, the whole thing is fucked. The most important thing is patience. Be patient with your attacks and you will be able to take over the whole world in a mere 20 rounds.
21.04.2014 - 23:13
Thank you very much! That is really helpful! Gonna try that on someone!
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18.06.2015 - 21:30
Really helps! Thanks!
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15.07.2015 - 18:05
Very nice article. I might implement something in mine games. Or at least to be aware of MoS.
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23.10.2015 - 21:25
Something helpful I've learned using MoS over time, I like to rotate attacking and non attacking units, not that the units gain any benefit from resting, but it keeps your opponent guessing as to how many units are in the area, and you can play shadow games by making them think the bulk of your force is somewhere it isn't.
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29.11.2015 - 19:38
I have a few questions, 1) how many marines do you use to tear down the walls? I tend to only send one so the enemy doesn't see the total number I have. 2) I thought you couldn't build troops in cities that aren't in countries in which you own the capital, is this not true? and 3) How do you set up walls in the Balkans? I enjoy playing Turkey in extra city games but when certain countries only have 1 militia/reinforcement, do you get another militia or marine? Finally, how do YOU use stealth aircraft and deal with a naval war? I struggle using (wasting) subs to knock out destroyers and having to return units to restore stealth is always a struggle. Also, what situations and places are good places for the tactic? Europe with 2 others? What part? I tend to go Brazil Southeast, US Great Lakes and Turkey. if it helps. I only go Turkey if US is taken and I feel Central Europe will fight amongst themselves and I have a trustworthy India. My favorites are the Americas.
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29.11.2015 - 21:03
Scris de jFm23, 29.11.2015 at 19:38

1) how many marines do you use to tear down the walls? I tend to only send one so the enemy doesn't see the total number I have.

2) I thought you couldn't build troops in cities that aren't in countries in which you own the capital, is this not true?

3) How do you set up walls in the Balkans? I enjoy playing Turkey in extra city games but when certain countries only have 1 militia/reinforcement, do you get another militia or marine?

4)Finally, how do YOU use stealth aircraft and deal with a naval war? I struggle using (wasting) subs to knock out destroyers and having to return units to restore stealth is always a struggle.

5)Also, what situations and places are good places for the tactic? Europe with 2 others? What part? I tend to go Brazil Southeast, US Great Lakes and Turkey. if it helps. I only go Turkey if US is taken and I feel Central Europe will fight amongst themselves and I have a trustworthy India. My favorites are the Americas.


1) Only use 1 unit to break walls. While keeping the other marines hidden.

2) You can only build troops in cities if you own its capital. (i.e. To build troops in Hamburg, Germany you need Germany's capital - Berlin).

3) To wall small countries in Balkan use troops from other near by cities that can spare, or just wait for reinforcement turn(s).

4) Only build stealth aircraft's if you have LOTS of money, or to break walls. Otherwise use submarines for Naval War. Make sure the submarines are empty when using them for naval war as you don't want to waste marines. Even better, wait for the opponents Navy to take a port (city on the water), and have marines near by to kill them as soon as they do, costs less money than building Submarines, and gives more "bang for your buck".

5) MoS (Master of Stealth) is good for countries on the water.
Personally I use MoS as : Indonesia, USA, Japan (sometimes), China (sometimes), UK (sometimes), Brazil (sometimes). With Turkey I recommenced using another strategy besides MoS (it can still work, but others are better).

Hope that answered your questions.
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29.11.2015 - 21:41
Thanks for the clarification, when is a good time to pick Indonesia? And how is a US cap not on the water? And finally, what if there is another US or another China?
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29.11.2015 - 22:07
Scris de jFm23, 29.11.2015 at 21:41

Thanks for the clarification,
1)When is a good time to pick Indonesia?
2)And how is a US cap not on the water?
3)And finally, what if there is another US or another China?

1) Pick Indonesia if you have China as a ally, assuming you will war India with some China support, if you and China can lock down India, you can stand a chance at winning the whole world war.
2) Some US capitals are on water and some are not (i.e. USA Mountain is on land, Washington is on water).
3) If there is another US or China, play smart and beat them. DO NOT ally them. It's not worth splitting the land and making very little income... Pays off more to own the whole area.
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30.11.2015 - 06:59
Indonesia allying with china is a death sentence, terrible idea, just rush east asia and play as normal. If there's two people in a country then wipe them out.
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30.12.2015 - 16:21
Mos is one of the best in my choises
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01.01.2016 - 22:47
Me like MOS, U smart mahn;
U sneakee too
me like sneeky mahn

game take "20 weeks"
1 week = 7 day, no?

?#@% to do dis?
forget about it mahn-

In 20 weeks, I iron 3500 shirts, get 13cents/shirt,
get protocoin -- big upgrades;
use them long time; forget about it mahn,
game over in 3,5, 6 day;:o
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01.01.2016 - 22:53
Just one thing more;

U teach me lot in post

me much like ur post Learster
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29.01.2016 - 08:22
Thanks!
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13.02.2016 - 20:24
Wow, that was outstanding. i have never played that master of stealth shit. but i might have to try that. that was just wild looking.
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13.02.2016 - 20:24
Wow, that was outstanding. i have never played that master of stealth shit. but i might have to try that. that was just wild looking.
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19.04.2016 - 05:17
Wow that's nice
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13.05.2016 - 07:41
Http://i.imgur.com/JdV6bHP.png
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13.05.2016 - 07:41
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27.05.2016 - 10:56
 Oleg

How am I doing lear?
I was preparing war with Murica when i took uk fra and spain,i sent 3 x 12 marines stacks every reinf turn.
I had to battle strong russia when i took out uk and france that allied each other.
When i finnished Russia,i didn't even have a time to take his countries,China player came.
I had Iraq heavily reinfed with infarity,but he toook it
I am having low scale war with africa,sending some marines to him just to make him battle,i don't want him to save money......
And pls tell me what to do about asia,i can't def until death,he has walled everything and made big walls .=....
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04.11.2016 - 13:40
Opponents might see your stealth now... ;o
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24.11.2016 - 10:28
How did you even get that big in the first place?
Please answer this question, I always have problems with the early game.
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01.12.2016 - 16:17
Scris de LukeTan, 24.11.2016 at 10:28

How did you even get that big in the first place?
Please answer this question, I always have problems with the early game.

I doubt there is much good advertise for that. It's a skill you will have to develope with your rank. The longer you play, the better you get at reading the game and anticipating your enemies move.
That, plus a good portion of luck is what you need to succeed in the early game.

Maybe one thing, although not universally applicable: try to avoid all-out fights against players in the beginning. Go for as many neutrals you can grab and try to be somewhat passive, non-threatening, so that other players turn on each other instead of you.
And even if you fight against other players keep on investing in taking neutral countries. Defend well, take neutrals, in time you will out-grow your opponent. Keep a good balance.
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01.12.2016 - 16:21
Scris de Oleg, 27.05.2016 at 10:56

How am I doing lear?

Doing very well there mate!
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18.12.2016 - 03:14
 Oleg
Scris de learster, 01.12.2016 at 16:21

Scris de Oleg, 27.05.2016 at 10:56

How am I doing lear?

Doing very well there mate!

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24.03.2017 - 20:40
This topic is very good.
As i've read this topic since a mounth ago, i'm using what you say.


I Usualy spread from america (from chicago).
But america isn't europe and there is not the same income. So even when i have the whloe america's continent (north and south), it's complicated to attack and defense with this income on the both sides (against europ and east asia). I'm also obligated to pick an ally. I usualy chose the east asia one because pacific is very large and it's easier to organize my troops against europe on the east side. My sub goes from new york, washington and boston.

So I got two question:
- is it possible to handle both of them?
-if america isn't a good idea. Wich country should I pick at the beguining with MoS in a World game?

thanks before answering.

ps: Scuse me if my english is as bad as you can see. But I'm french. And yes, this is a good escuse
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24.03.2017 - 22:15
Scris de Joke1804, 24.03.2017 at 20:40

This topic is very good.
As i've read this topic since a mounth ago, i'm using what you say.


I Usualy spread from america (from chicago).
But america isn't europe and there is not the same income. So even when i have the whloe america's continent (north and south), it's complicated to attack and defense with this income on the both sides (against europ and east asia). I'm also obligated to pick an ally. I usualy chose the east asia one because pacific is very large and it's easier to organize my troops against europe on the east side. My sub goes from new york, washington and boston.

So I got two question:
- is it possible to handle both of them?
-if america isn't a good idea. Wich country should I pick at the beguining with MoS in a World game?

thanks before answering.

ps: Scuse me if my english is as bad as you can see. But I'm french. And yes, this is a good escuse

going to be hard to beat both asia and europe IF they are allied together. if it is pure ffa u have a chance since they mightkill each other then give them behind surprise
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25.03.2017 - 04:53
Scris de Checkmate., 24.03.2017 at 22:15

Scris de Joke1804, 24.03.2017 at 20:40

This topic is very good.
As i've read this topic since a mounth ago, i'm using what you say.


I Usualy spread from america (from chicago).
But america isn't europe and there is not the same income. So even when i have the whloe america's continent (north and south), it's complicated to attack and defense with this income on the both sides (against europ and east asia). I'm also obligated to pick an ally. I usualy chose the east asia one because pacific is very large and it's easier to organize my troops against europe on the east side. My sub goes from new york, washington and boston.

So I got two question:
- is it possible to handle both of them?
-if america isn't a good idea. Wich country should I pick at the beguining with MoS in a World game?

thanks before answering.

ps: Scuse me if my english is as bad as you can see. But I'm french. And yes, this is a good escuse

going to be hard to beat both asia and europe IF they are allied together. if it is pure ffa u have a chance since they mightkill each other then give them behind surprise


Yes i know and this is why I'm asking this lol
As I said, I usualy make an ally with the asian one
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25.03.2017 - 15:02
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Spam sentries at choke points gg
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13.06.2017 - 21:24
Now how do I counter this shit with Blitzkrieg? Choke the MoS before he gains power?
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15.06.2017 - 00:06
Scris de Erichv.Manstein, 13.06.2017 at 21:24

Now how do I counter this shit with Blitzkrieg? Choke the MoS before he gains power?

As blitz, what you should be doing is, in a world 50k game, is to use air transports to go around his front line. Using blitzkrieg (which isn't reccomended btw, but i'm just responding to the question), it's better to harass the back of the enemy and kill him (if possible, before he sends marines, but if not, while he's sending marines)
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