Why did rome fell to savages like islam,slavs,germans?

Scris de x___, 01.08.2016 at 07:42

In 2300 they will ask why the United States of America fell to all these savages the muslim terror, hispanic influex, international invasion and dirty russians.
They'll speculate - oh how it was the economy, the political system, an inactive government, etc etc.

but I'll save em the time and tell you now: liberals. it was the damn liberals with their cry cry save the poor get rid of police rhetoric. They divide the nation, take its foundation through populist movements. The brainwashed majority, in their euphoria, no longer realize the real danger of war and natural competition of humans on earth. Patriarchy turns to feminism, nation turns to filth.

Same thing happened to Rome. The populares AKA roman liberals divded the nation, brainwashed their followers. They thought they were too big to handle, they forget the barbarians who wanted deeply what they had and thus it fell. what we saw in rome is what we shall see in america.

You have no idea what you are talking about. First of all USA is a pretty conservative country with right wing economics and politics and some lefti-ish social policies only and because its a Western country and "has to" conform to to the "liberal" western culture as a whole. Also the democratic party is not a "liberal' party in reality and half of the democratic parties voters are "fake" liberals anyway. John lock was the founder of liberalism and it was simply the concept that every human has a natural right to life, liberty and property and that governments must not violate these rights. Modern USA and media like to highjack terms to suit their agenda, but the reality is far off. Lastly, i would argue that California is the closest thing to a liberal state atm, high number of foreign immigrants, liberal society, high taxation to the rich, democrats controlling the seats and despite classic republicans fearmongering its kicking every other state's butt. Not to mention that worldwide, the more liberal a nation is, the greater it GDP, standard of living, healthcare, hapiness value and etc are, so maybe you should stop with your dated propaganda and give some facts to support your arguments.

Also your Rome/Usa analogy is equally shitty. You reach a semi valid conclusion with completely fucked up premises. Rome did not fell because of multicultural liberalism, the barbarian argument is actually one for right wing imperialism and military overexpansion and then failing to support the outcome, because that model is unsustainable and flawed in its foundation, given the proper context. If you want to make an analogy with the USA, try this one, because USA spending trillions on proxy wars and political influence, when the only ones that profit are the big corpos ( roman nobles) and the few people with power that try to challenge the status quo are murdered or stepped on ( Julius ceasar- jfk/sanders)

As for the liberals who divided the nation and "brainwashed" their followers, this was a direct result of corruption and greed by the nobles and the conservatives to adress the rising problems ( lack of new land, workforce, coin, population boom - > lack of food, loss of land, large private debt, extortion, evictions, rise of gangs and lawlessness) and instead clinged onto their wealth, promote their personal interests instead those of the people and refuse to let relief policies pass through the senate and even assasinate their opposition.

Scris de Khal.eesi, 02.08.2016 at 07:37

First of all USA is a pretty conservative country with right wing economics and politics and some lefti-ish social policies only

No. I can already tell that you do not live in this country. Or you do not understand what is happening here. Major cities, universities, gov't (president and supreme court) are all under dem party influence. The Dems right now are trying to increase social welfare and government spending in everywhere (liberal ideology). right wing economics you say?
OK, how about Obama's ridiculous regulation on healthcare markets in obamacare, all the Keynesian leftist economics with bailing out and trying to start government programs, a tax system that has a HUGE burden on the middle class while giving huge breaks for poor people and making it possible to live an entire life without a job, all those gay rights initiatives. Dude where are you looking at?

I live in New England right now, where apparently it's the norm to say "f*** the police", try to find muslim and black friends because they just that - muslim and black, and literally fall on your knees and start crying out of joy if your son or daughter comes out as gay. wtf. you say this aint liberal son?

Scris de Khal.eesi, 02.08.2016 at 07:37

John lock was the founder of liberalism

Times are changing dude. The definition of liberalism during victorian england is not today's definition. I would venture to say that the greater majority of university professors would agree with me (I go to a liberal uni). Liberalism is changing, because it just simply wants that: change.

Scris de Khal.eesi, 02.08.2016 at 07:37

Lastly, i would argue that California is the closest thing to a liberal state atm, high number of foreign immigrants

'immigrants' doesn't mean anything. I am an immigrant. Ok, so what? That is actually a really questionable argument from you. immigrants = liberalism? I don't think so. You can't tell me, an immigrant, that I have to be liberal. Literally if you put a bunch of me's into a city ... it would start looking something like Ukraine.

Scris de Khal.eesi, 02.08.2016 at 07:37

worldwide, the more liberal a nation is, the greater it GDP, standard of living, healthcare, hapiness value and etc are, so maybe you should stop with your dated propaganda and give some facts to support your arguments.

Ah, I love the old 'give the facts'! argument. Sure, mate, what facts you want? About what?
Here's some about Cali for you:
Los Angeles, your supposed 'liberal' token city, houses a ridiculously high immigrant population. It is also one of the most dem party cities ever. Look at these crime statistics compared to San Diego (much lower dem presence and much much lower hispanic population):

I love you liberals. You ask for facts and statistics without really asking for what you want. haha.

I will also ignore your statement as a generalization. But the one thing that liberalism doesn't define in a nation is its success. I bet Roman plebeians were happy too and had a good standard of living with the late Roman state welfare. Ya, before they were eaten alive and raped and killed by barbarians.

Your logic shows your level of IQ and observation skills. Also how much you listen to leftist media.

Scris de Zephyrusu, 02.08.2016 at 06:14

I love how you judge my political views just for telling you that a faction of ancient Romans that literally took down whatever little freedom of choice the plebians had is liberal.

They were liberal and they didn't take away plebeian 'liberty'. Populares gave state welfare and undermined the those that organized rome in the first place, the upper classes. They needed the plebs because that's where their power came from. Don't mistake how the populares behaved towards the plebeians with how they behaved towards their enemies.

Scris de x___, 02.08.2016 at 08:52

Scris de Zephyrusu, 02.08.2016 at 06:14

I love how you judge my political views just for telling you that a faction of ancient Romans that literally took down whatever little freedom of choice the plebians had is liberal.

They were liberal and they didn't take away plebeian 'liberty'. Populares gave state welfare and undermined the those that organized rome in the first place, the upper classes. They needed the plebs because that's where their power came from. Don't mistake how the populares behaved towards the plebeians with how they behaved towards their enemies.

They treated the plebians well, yes, but they didn't give them rights and choices.

Scris de x___, 02.08.2016 at 08:47

Scris de Khal.eesi, 02.08.2016 at 07:37

First of all USA is a pretty conservative country with right wing economics and politics and some lefti-ish social policies only

No. I can already tell that you do not live in this country. Or you do not understand what is happening here. Major cities, universities, gov't (president and supreme court) are all under dem party influence. The Dems right now are trying to increase social welfare and government spending in everywhere (liberal ideology). right wing economics you say?
OK, how about Obama's ridiculous regulation on healthcare markets in obamacare, all the Keynesian leftist economics with bailing out and trying to start government programs, a tax system that has a HUGE burden on the middle class while giving huge breaks for poor people and making it possible to live an entire life without a job, all those gay rights initiatives. Dude where are you looking at?

I live in New England right now, where apparently it's the norm to say "f*** the police", try to find muslim and black friends because they just that - muslim and black, and literally fall on your knees and start crying out of joy if your son or daughter comes out as gay. wtf. you say this aint liberal son?

Scris de Khal.eesi, 02.08.2016 at 07:37

John lock was the founder of liberalism

Times are changing dude. The definition of liberalism during victorian england is not today's definition. I would venture to say that the greater majority of university professors would agree with me (I go to a liberal uni). Liberalism is changing, because it just simply wants that: change.

Scris de Khal.eesi, 02.08.2016 at 07:37

Lastly, i would argue that California is the closest thing to a liberal state atm, high number of foreign immigrants

'immigrants' doesn't mean anything. I am an immigrant. Ok, so what? That is actually a really questionable argument from you. immigrants = liberalism? I don't think so. You can't tell me, an immigrant, that I have to be liberal. Literally if you put a bunch of me's into a city ... it would start looking something like Ukraine.

Scris de Khal.eesi, 02.08.2016 at 07:37

worldwide, the more liberal a nation is, the greater it GDP, standard of living, healthcare, hapiness value and etc are, so maybe you should stop with your dated propaganda and give some facts to support your arguments.

Ah, I love the old 'give the facts'! argument. Sure, mate, what facts you want? About what?
Here's some about Cali for you:
Los Angeles, your supposed 'liberal' token city, houses a ridiculously high immigrant population. It is also one of the most dem party cities ever. Look at these crime statistics compared to San Diego (much lower dem presence and much much lower hispanic population):

I love you liberals. You ask for facts and statistics without really asking for what you want. haha.

I will also ignore your statement as a generalization. But the one thing that liberalism doesn't define in a nation is its success. I bet Roman plebeians were happy too and had a good standard of living with the late Roman state welfare. Ya, before they were eaten alive and raped and killed by barbarians.

Your logic shows your level of IQ and observation skills. Also how much you listen to leftist media.

I am sorry I interrupt, but, what is forcible rape ? What is non-forcible rape ?

Scris de Black Swans, 02.08.2016 at 12:08

I am sorry I interrupt, but, what is forcible rape ? What is non-forcible rape ?

Maybe when you do it in their sleep, since they don't resist you're not really "forcing" them...

Scris de Zephyrusu, 02.08.2016 at 12:51

Scris de Black Swans, 02.08.2016 at 12:08

I am sorry I interrupt, but, what is forcible rape ? What is non-forcible rape ?

Maybe when you do it in their sleep, since they don't resist you're not really "forcing" them...

No. Forcible rape is sex without a consent... and non forcible means you gave consent but arent in a position to give one.

Ergo being a minor, mentally retarded, being drugged maybe...
Not sure about giving consent out of fear or blackmail...

Scris de Skanderbeg, 01.08.2016 at 11:49

Scris de x___, 01.08.2016 at 07:42

Loads of horse morning work

America wouldn't be 1# economy, 1# importer, until recently 1# exporter and 1# destination for immigrants if they didn't had Liberalism. That ideology you cry about.

No Tesla, Einstein, Rockefeller or Ford would migrate to America if it was oppressive. The very first Pilgrims migrated to America to escape European persecution, to find new land and create liberty. No Boeing, McDouglas, Cadillac, Coca Cola, All-Star, Hollywood, Wall Street would exist if there was no Liberalism.

Today, America have Big Brother state, it happens, but before 1960 it was pure Liberalist. Today big brother create problems, wars and crisis you cry about, not Liberalism. Liberalism created 1# economy for them. Just like Liberalism is creating No.2 economy for China after Big Brother held it for 30 years as country 100#

Just like now Ukraine has big brother government and is falling into abyss. 2 million Ukrainians already migrated to Russia. Before that it had Liberalism and made significant progress. Because people are decently smart to create their own lifes if given proper freedom.

Actually liberalism took over the country in the 70s and we've slowly been dying since.

Scris de Helly, 02.08.2016 at 12:58

Actually liberalism took over the country in the 70s and we've slowly been dying since.

Nope, it is Big Brother government that happened and 'you've slowly been dying since'.

Big Brother have many ways to be established. Deals between parties, dictatorship, one-party system, coup, junta etc. In your case it is 'deal between parties', the two you have; republicans and democrats. They control the government, use government revenue for their whims and not care for country and its institutions. They are separating economic branches among themselves, some of them hold agriculture, others hold industry, third hold import, fourth hold export, fifth hold services sixth hold media and so on. If you try to import without having contacts in the government, you will be fined for 'importing illegal goods or goods of lesser quality than imposed by the customs'. If you try to open media you won't find frequency to buy, if you try agriculture monsato will sue you for not buying their seed. You can't open any service business without bribing the holder of that economic branch.

Of course they do not own the economy or companies, they simply 'hold' it. They have contacts in corporations, making deals with them to lessen the business regulations and in return corporations fund them. When corporations see new competition, they complain to big brother and he crush it. That's why you will see illogical progress of some companies like Walmart, selling cheap products but becoming giants over night

Scris de Helly, 02.08.2016 at 12:58

Scris de Skanderbeg, 01.08.2016 at 11:49

America wouldn't be 1# economy, 1# importer, until recently 1# exporter and 1# destination for immigrants if they didn't had Liberalism. That ideology you cry about.

No Tesla, Einstein, Rockefeller or Ford would migrate to America if it was oppressive. The very first Pilgrims migrated to America to escape European persecution, to find new land and create liberty. No Boeing, McDouglas, Cadillac, Coca Cola, All-Star, Hollywood, Wall Street would exist if there was no Liberalism.

Today, America have Big Brother state, it happens, but before 1960 it was pure Liberalist. Today big brother create problems, wars and crisis you cry about, not Liberalism. Liberalism created 1# economy for them. Just like Liberalism is creating No.2 economy for China after Big Brother held it for 30 years as country 100#

Just like now Ukraine has big brother government and is falling into abyss. 2 million Ukrainians already migrated to Russia. Before that it had Liberalism and made significant progress. Because people are decently smart to create their own lifes if given proper freedom.

Actually liberalism took over the country in the 70s and we've slowly been dying since.

this ^^^^^ I have no idea what bull is coming out of Andartes's mouth. Maybe he is in a parallel universe. LOL wonder what would happen if he told the real men of world war 2 that they were little pussywhipped beta liberals.

Scris de Skanderbeg, 01.08.2016 at 11:49

Just like now Ukraine has big brother government and is falling into abyss. 2 million Ukrainians already migrated to Russia. Before that it had Liberalism and made significant progress. Because people are decently smart to create their own lifes if given proper freedom.

Oh wow there's a reason I muted you!!!! What you are saying is so false and untrue that I must assume you are trolling and trying to get me mad. Well, all I have to tell you is that you don't know ukraine and shouldn't get to know it. Gee, image what would happen to you in ukraine. I think we'd find your instentines smothered on a wall, skull cracked into 30 pieces and your ribs neatly arranged to spell out "go back to russia". lol

Scris de x___, 02.08.2016 at 08:47

Scris de Khal.eesi, 02.08.2016 at 07:37

First of all USA is a pretty conservative country with right wing economics and politics and some lefti-ish social policies only

No. I can already tell that you do not live in this country. Or you do not understand what is happening here. Major cities, universities, gov't (president and supreme court) are all under dem party influence. The Dems right now are trying to increase social welfare and government spending in everywhere (liberal ideology). right wing economics you say?
OK, how about Obama's ridiculous regulation on healthcare markets in obamacare, all the Keynesian leftist economics with bailing out and trying to start government programs, a tax system that has a HUGE burden on the middle class while giving huge breaks for poor people and making it possible to live an entire life without a job, all those gay rights initiatives. Dude where are you looking at?

I live in New England right now, where apparently it's the norm to say "f*** the police", try to find muslim and black friends because they just that - muslim and black, and literally fall on your knees and start crying out of joy if your son or daughter comes out as gay. wtf. you say this aint liberal son?

Scris de Khal.eesi, 02.08.2016 at 07:37

John lock was the founder of liberalism

Times are changing dude. The definition of liberalism during victorian england is not today's definition. I would venture to say that the greater majority of university professors would agree with me (I go to a liberal uni). Liberalism is changing, because it just simply wants that: change.

Scris de Khal.eesi, 02.08.2016 at 07:37

Lastly, i would argue that California is the closest thing to a liberal state atm, high number of foreign immigrants

'immigrants' doesn't mean anything. I am an immigrant. Ok, so what? That is actually a really questionable argument from you. immigrants = liberalism? I don't think so. You can't tell me, an immigrant, that I have to be liberal. Literally if you put a bunch of me's into a city ... it would start looking something like Ukraine.

Scris de Khal.eesi, 02.08.2016 at 07:37

worldwide, the more liberal a nation is, the greater it GDP, standard of living, healthcare, hapiness value and etc are, so maybe you should stop with your dated propaganda and give some facts to support your arguments.

Ah, I love the old 'give the facts'! argument. Sure, mate, what facts you want? About what?
Here's some about Cali for you:
Los Angeles, your supposed 'liberal' token city, houses a ridiculously high immigrant population. It is also one of the most dem party cities ever. Look at these crime statistics compared to San Diego (much lower dem presence and much much lower hispanic population):

I love you liberals. You ask for facts and statistics without really asking for what you want. haha.

I will also ignore your statement as a generalization. But the one thing that liberalism doesn't define in a nation is its success. I bet Roman plebeians were happy too and had a good standard of living with the late Roman state welfare. Ya, before they were eaten alive and raped and killed by barbarians.

Your logic shows your level of IQ and observation skills. Also how much you listen to leftist media.

Not really sure what you are trying to say here. Both cities are in different locations and have different circumstances so it is no surprise that some cities do well/worse in some statistics than others; similarly, this data comes for statistics collected a DECADE ago. Speaking os observations skills, the failure to acknowledge this distinction shows your capacity do so.

Scris de x___, 02.08.2016 at 13:23

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The evidence that you provided shows that indeed 2006 San Diego had less crime than 2006 Los Angeles, but you don't show how illegal immigration/democrats are the factor behind it. For all we know; San Diego had less crime because the average net worth of San Diego's Residents was higher than the average net worth of Los Angeles' Residents.

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Scris de Universali, 02.08.2016 at 15:54

Not really sure what you are trying to say here.

He is saying that illegal immigrants + democrats in power = high crime rate.

Scris de Universali, 02.08.2016 at 15:54

Both cities are in different locations and have different circumstances

That is the point.

Scris de Universali, 02.08.2016 at 15:54

so it is no surprise that some cities do well/worse in some statistics than others

Yes, different circumstances give you different results. He is trying to connect illegal immigrants + democrats in power = high crime rate.

Scris de Universali, 02.08.2016 at 15:54

; similarly, this data comes for statistics collected a DECADE ago. Speaking os observations skills, the failure to acknowledge this distinction shows your capacity do so.

The date of the data is irrelevant, as his claim is independent of time.

Your response leads nowhere and refutes nothing, if you want to get somewhere in this argument you should ask him to prove that 2006 San Diego had republicans in power and less illegals than 2006 Los Angeles.

Scris de Tundy, 02.08.2016 at 18:04

if you want to get somewhere in this argument you should ask him to prove that 2006 San Diego had republicans in power and less illegals than 2006 Los Angeles.

Thank you Tunder :) Now this is now a much more civilized and controlled conversation

To your first statement about Republicans in San Diego, I will link you to San Diego vs Los Angeles Mayoral elections in 2005:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_mayoral_special_election,_2005
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_mayoral_election,_2005

A republican was elected in San Diego.... but Los Angeles has so little republicans that it was a dem running against a dem, resulting in a massive dem victory either way.

And to your next statement, it is very hard to actually know illegal alien numbers (because they are, after all, illegal!). However, the University of Southern California tried to do a study, and it was estimated in around 2010-2013 that 1 in 10 residents of LA was illegal:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2013/0508/In-Los-Angeles-1-in-10-residents-is-an-illegal-immigrant-study-says

In 2006 there were mass demonstrations for illegal alien amnesties. In LA there was a march of over 500,000 people. In San Diego, just 200 or so people came out in a single protest. In Cali, LA is widely known for its illegal alien population.

Also, I feel like we getting carried away. My point isn't even about illegals being bad or anything. You can interpret it as so, but all I am saying is that the kind of people in a territory define the social context. So - the illegal population that was already predispositioned to crime brought their practices to the United States. This is simply a statistic. not all immigrants are bad, but according to the stats it seems like relatively more are active in crime.
The takeaway for US citizens is that the liberal majority needs to be careful; you can't let everyone in and accept everyone. People are not so nice out there and live with completely different sometimes even disgusting practices. I'm saying this as a Ukrainian immigrant. The takeaway for immigrants is to try to adopt American practices rather than sitting in your own little community rejecting everything else. We came to America for a reason so its time to blend in with society and build on American traditions, not change them to your own. I'm not Ukrainian-American. When I'm with Americans, I'm American. With Ukrainians, I'm Ukrainian. Ok i lie sometimes I drunken raging slav no matter what but you get the point.

Scris de Tundy, 02.08.2016 at 18:04

Scris de x___, 02.08.2016 at 13:23

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The evidence that you provided shows that indeed 2006 San Diego had less crime than 2006 Los Angeles, but you don't show how illegal immigration/democrats are the factor behind it. For all we know; San Diego had less crime because the average net worth of San Diego's Residents was higher than the average net worth of Los Angeles' Residents.

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Scris de Universali, 02.08.2016 at 15:54

Not really sure what you are trying to say here.

He is saying that illegal immigrants + democrats in power = high crime rate.

Scris de Universali, 02.08.2016 at 15:54

Both cities are in different locations and have different circumstances

That is the point.

Scris de Universali, 02.08.2016 at 15:54

so it is no surprise that some cities do well/worse in some statistics than others

Yes, different circumstances give you different results. He is trying to connect illegal immigrants + democrats in power = high crime rate.

Scris de Universali, 02.08.2016 at 15:54

; similarly, this data comes for statistics collected a DECADE ago. Speaking os observations skills, the failure to acknowledge this distinction shows your capacity do so.

The date of the data is irrelevant, as his claim is independent of time.

Your response leads nowhere and refutes nothing, if you want to get somewhere in this argument you should ask him to prove that 2006 San Diego had republicans in power and less illegals than 2006 Los Angeles.

You are implying that migrants bring crime with them, which is simply not true and the data provided demonstrates no correlation. He is trying to connect immigration leads to high crime which he does not properly support. Your argument that the date of data is irrelevant is simply foolish and unacademic.

Does that I mean I could use statistics from the late-1800s to demonstrate poor working conditions? Apparently.

So invalidating out-of-date information used to support his argument is refuting nothing? Apparently.

Scris de x___, 02.08.2016 at 13:23

Gee, image what would happen to you in ukraine. I think we'd find your instentines smothered on a wall, skull cracked into 30 pieces and your ribs neatly arranged to spell out "go back to russia". lol

Like this journalists?



https://www.rt.com/news/180140-journalists-killed-abducted-ukraine/
http://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/07/ukraine-journalist-car-bomb/492146/

Not only they are missing in Ukraine, or killed, but worse... tortured, raped, their holes stuffed, buried alive, heads smashed to walls... Their lives ended in most brutal ways not even Bible described such evil.

Welcome to Ukraine.

Scris de Universali, 02.08.2016 at 20:24

You are implying that migrants bring crime with them, which is simply not true and the data provided demonstrates no correlation. He is trying to connect immigration leads to high crime which he does not properly support. Your argument that the date of data is irrelevant is simply foolish and unacademic.

Does that I mean I could use statistics from the late-1800s to demonstrate poor working conditions? Apparently.

So invalidating out-of-date information used to support his argument is refuting nothing? Apparently.

Read my evidence above that I answered to support my claim. Migrants do bring violence if it was prominent in their previous communities - look at germany or france for examples of muslim friction with community as well. I usually hesitate to point toward mass media but you should find ample evidence there as well if you look through latest news.

Also, I know you really want to believe your consciousness and what you have been told in the past, but really it is in your own best interest to start noticing global patterns and sociological phenomena. If you still want to hang on stubbornly, there's not much I can do, but if you do want to consider other things then props to you.

Scris de Lukyan, 03.08.2016 at 21:39

Rome never fell, it flew away.

To a galaxy far, far away and became a Republic once more.

Scris de AlBoZzZ, 29.07.2016 at 00:34

Scris de Tundy, 28.07.2016 at 20:47

please explain, I know rome was the superior ultimate culture, but how did they lost against uncivilized barbarians?

Because the people that rome OPRESSED,INVADED,KILLED,RAPED,USED AS SLAVE thought that was enough!!!!

Its almost same as your old mexican barbaric uncivilized peoples, made spanish conquistadors leave your country

Surprisingly it wasnt the romans or the people rome conquered that took it down, it was the people outside of rome immigrating to rome that took it down from within, hint for europe.

And for your previous argument how ottomans were good conquerers (you were clearly implying it), there are millions upon millions of non muslims who were killed, raped, pillaged, kidnapped had their property burned or taken away who would disagree. For non muslim nations they even had blood tax from 16th century onwards, thats why many "turks" today are descendants of those slaves, funny you look over that...

Scris de Columna Durruti, 30.07.2016 at 19:41

I thought that the last roman emperor died before Mohammed was born. Am I wrong?

West Roman empire and East Roman empire, learn the difference.

Scris de Evic, 04.08.2016 at 04:41

For non muslim nations they even had blood tax from 16th century onwards, thats why many "turks" today are descendants of those slaves, funny you look over that...

Yeah, i was surprised there are 9 million Muslim Serbs in Turkey today. Its like all of modern Turkey is comprised of descendant slaves from Serbia, Greece, Armenia and Mongols from Altay!

Imagine if those 9 million Serbs return to Balkan, i bet you Croatians would freak out. Not only they are Serbs, but muslims as well! AND IMMIGRANTS!!1

But don't be jealous, you can have your very own Croatian Muslims, from Bosnia, Croatian flowers, 2 million of them! If 9 million Serbs return from Turkey, logically would be to settle Bosnia, since they have mosques and space there, that mean Croatian flowers have to move to Croatia, so you will have your very own refugees like Germany! Isn't friendship great

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?173612-9-million-serbs-live-in-turkey
https://jtf.org/forum/index.php?topic=39679.0


p.s.
These croatian scientists ruin my theory god dammit, tell them to stop! Croatians are not Serbs!

http://inserbia.info/today/2013/08/croatian-scientists-proved-that-croats-are-descendants-of-serbs/

Scris de Darth., 03.08.2016 at 23:46

Scris de Lukyan, 03.08.2016 at 21:39

Rome never fell, it flew away.

To a galaxy far, far away and became a Republic once more.

And then an empire again. And then a Republic again.

Scris de Skanderbeg, 04.08.2016 at 08:57

Yeah, i was surprised there are 9 million Muslim Serbs in Turkey today.
Imagine if those 9 million Serbs return to Balkan, i bet you Croatians would freak out. Not only they are Serbs, but muslims as well! AND IMMIGRANTS!!1

Good old irony called 'Tito's numbers'

Fyi, there are only 15,000 Serbs (Muslim and Orthodox both) in Turkey:

Scris de Skanderbeg, 04.08.2016 at 08:57

p.s.
These croatian scientists ruin my theory god dammit, tell them to stop! Croatians are not Serbs!
http://inserbia.info/today/2013/08/croatian-scientists-proved-that-croats-are-descendants-of-serbs/

That article originates from "NEWSBAR"... a Croatian joke site that makes false mocking news. Eventually Serbs got the joke, but i still see many mention this on forums.

Swear a god tho, Serbs are like a whole nation of Flath Earth society... cant tell if trolling or actually crazy.